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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:33 pm
by Guest
Hi,
I am new to the list and thinking of purchasing a J/80 for PHRF racing in my light air region.

Has anyone hear of using a Symetrical Sail for down wind to sail deepr angles. Also, what would the new PHRF number look like.

Thanks

Terry.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:28 pm
by Guest
Hi Terry,

A symmetrical spin is probably not the best idea...most likely your PHRF # will go up considerably depending on the area you race. Plus it is a pain in the neck using a spin pole and sheets and tweekers and or guys... Wow- it's like going back to the stone age.

If you have a good "Runner" and work hard at low, VMG angles you will be fine in PHRF...

I would much rather add a genoa if you race in a predominately light area (size depending how the rating changes).

Good luck on getting an J80!!
-Jay Lutz

[Posted by: jay.lutz%40northsails.com
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:30 pm
by gord175
The boat I bought was listed with symmetric spin gear but I didn't want to pay the asking price so I bought the boat in OD config. The previous owner was named Rory Wagoner from the Buffalo Harbour Yacht Club. I can't find his contact info anymore but you may be able to track him down. I also heard there may be boats in the Rochester area using symmetric spins.

I had a trimmer from the Canandian J105 champion boat on board for the last LD race of this year. He liked to push the boat down further than I had been used to. It was hard for me to make comparisons as the speedo was on the fritz but it felt right. So I would agree with Jay. "Don't live in the past, go with the now." -Garth Algar

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:42 pm
by Guest
In Rochester we have 3 J80's none of us use symmetric spinnakers. PHRF would drop considerably. In light air areas you are better off using a 135% Genoa

[Posted by: Tom Saytes
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:48 pm
by crazy
North makes a kite for low angles. It is fast, so fast that other phrf'rs that normally beat J80's lost to us, Crazy Ivan.

Skip the sym theory, get a no 2 132ish pending where you sail and Jay lutz totally knows how to make those sails fast.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:52 pm
by crazy
North makes a kite for low angles. It is fast, so fast that other phrf'rs that normally beat J80's lost to us, Crazy Ivan.

Skip the symetrical theory, get a no 2 132ish pending where you sail and Jay lutz totally knows how to make those sails fast.

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:17 pm
by jackal
I race in a mixed fleet where we are the only A sail. I have often been tempted on Windward / Leeward courses to rig a symetrical, but once I figured out to sail angles and keep gybing, we did well. The trick is to keep the boat speed right up, sail aggressively and dson't worry about all the extra miles sailed. Speed, and gybing right is the key. Get it right and you will blitz them all!