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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:44 pm
by Guest
Hi to all!
I have just purchased a J80, hull #671 and I'm in the process of sorting out the boat. I've read most of the posts on this site.

Can someone give me the current rules regarding halyard management? I've read the class rules, which are vague. Specifically, can you add clutches, deck organizers/cheek blocks, etc?

Thanks,
Joel

[Posted by: Joel Shapiro
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:26 pm
by beauly
can't give you the current rules etc, but hope someone else can. In the mean time.. congrats on your new boat!

Chaise Lounge #004

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:38 am
by aburton
If the rules don't say you can do it, then you can't. So I don't think you can add clutches or cheek blocks, etc. If you go to the APS web site, they have a bunch of photos of various deck layouts on several boats.

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:08 am
by Guest
Andrew - The Rules would be rather hard to make ALL inclusive. I believe it is usually the other way around. If the rules don't specifically prohibit it, it's allowed. You will note Halyard Cheek blocks on the decks of a few of the class legal boats on the APS website. Other's have replaced the Harken Cam cleat for the Spinnaker downhaul with a sheet stopper. Another small but nice exchange is replacing the Harken Cam cleat on the mainsheet with a Spinlock Power Cleat. Both of these minor changes make release of the downhaul and mainsheet easier when the lines are under load. Hustle USA 065

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:24 am
by aburton
Hi Phil, I'm pretty certain that the rules are exclusive on the 80 as they are for the Shields (the boat I've had for 16 years), that is, if they don't specifically say you can do it, you can't. Some of the gear you see in the pics is or was standard equipment, ie the clutch for the tackline and the cheek block to lead the spinn halyard aft. I'm still new to the class, so don't take my understanding of the rules as perfect, but my questions to the measurers have been answered this way.
Andy
Gromit USA 265

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:35 am
by aburton
I knew it was in there somewhere. J/80 class rules are closed. From the ISAF web site:

2.1 Objectives of Class Rules

...With closed Class Rules, anything not specifically permitted is prohibited. Wherever the word 'optional' appears, then the
fundamental rule is overridden and features are permitted even if not specifically mentioned in the class rules.
In the case of Open Class Rules, anything not specifically prohibited is permitted.

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:49 am
by Guest
Hi Andy... Did ALLOT of research before making the changes I listed above to Hustle as I intend to keep the boat one-design eligible even though I will be racing PHRF (I have retired from trailering a boat thousands of miles to race one design at Nationals, Noods, etc). None of the three items I mentioned were J80 standard equipment and were found discussed on this and/or other sites. While I am a "newbie" J80 owner, one designs I owned and raced one-design over the years included Hobies, Lightnings, E-Scows, Thistles, and F-27s. I have noticed each class is a bit different in how the rules are managed. For a definitive answer to Joel's question, if he is going to be racing one-design, I suggest he go to the makers of the J-80 rules and not depend on discussion by some yahoo (like me). Fair winds!!!

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:54 am
by aburton
Phil, I think you're OK on your changes because the clutch for the spin downhaul or tackline is now standard and the cleat on the main is OK because it's a different piece of gear with the same function as allowed in the rules. I'll have to check out the power cleat; sounds like a good idea. Looking forward to seeing you on the water. Good sailing
Andy

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:41 pm
by Guest
Thanks for the discussion. Sounds like a lot of people add stuff, but bypass it for class races.

[Posted by: Joel Shapiro
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:13 am
by crazy
Joel,

My halyard system works perfect, give me a call!

Ivan